After my long trip across South America I couldn’t help but think
how Indians (of the actual India, in Asia) and (Native) South Americas are too similar to be dismissed as completely different
civilizations that had zero connections. Over the last 6 years since my travels to the Americas,
I have heard and read bits and pieces of news which I may have made a mental note
of, and constituted as possible evidence for a hypothesis that both cultures / populations
are linked. I never really made a concerted effort to put all these nuggets together,
and quite frankly, I was never very organized about it. It was more of a fantasy
that I indulged in from time to time and whenever some ‘evidence’ showed up I thought
to myself ‘Wow that’d be cool’.
Fast forward to 2023, and chatgpt is all the rage. So what I
did was to try and get it to work for me to get me going on my ‘project’. And boy,
did it make a good start. Ostensibly, in this ‘essay’ I present only one side of
the story, (but for the absolute last prompt) . On why the two populations / civilizations
/ cultures could be inextricably linked. Perhaps a later post will talk about why
they’re most definitely not. And why all these eerie similarities are just fanciful
coincidences. (Of course, standard warnings apply to the prompt and the responses. Nothing is tested to the nth degree for it's veracity. Also, Bing seems to randomly repeat stuff, but I have left it all as was, with numbers within the text indicating reference links, which I haven't copied).
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Here's the prompt I used on 13th May 2023, via Bing.
You are a trained historian, geologist, anthropologist
and writer.
After hearing that the leading hypothesis of human
population migration to the America's via the Bering’s land bridge was
debunked, because of human fossils being found in Mexico which predate the ice
age and hence, the land bridge, you want to formulate and test an alternate
hypothesis.
The hypothesis is as follows :
The americas were populated in two or more waves, at
least one of which occurred well before the ice age. The people who made it
there were actually from India, from an advanced (for the time) sea-faring
population.
To test this hypothesis, you want to lay out all the
facts existing in current literature, connecting them with some cultural
traditions which seem too similar to be coincidental, and some similarities in
ancient languages spoken by Indians and American Indians.
Write out all these facts, conjectures and eerie
similarities in an essay with as much detail as possible over the next 10
messages if need be. I can reprompt you with 'and some more' if need be.
Bing
The discovery of human fossils in Mexico that predate the
ice age and hence, the land bridge, challenges the dominant theory of how
humans first populated the Americas. According to this theory, known as the
Clovis-first model, humans migrated from Asia to North America via a land
bridge across the Bering Strait that was exposed during the last glacial
period, around 13,000 years ago. They then spread southward through an ice-free
corridor that opened up between two massive ice sheets covering most of Canada
and the northern United States. These early migrants are associated with a
distinctive stone tool culture called Clovis, which is found throughout North
America and parts of Central and South America.
However, the fossilized footprints found at White Sands
National Park in New Mexico offer what some scientists say is the most
conclusive evidence yet that humans lived in North America long before the end
of the last ice age1. The research, published in the journal Science, dates the
prints to between 21,000 and 23,000 years ago1. This means that humans occupied
the continent during the Last Glacial Maximum, when most of it was covered by
ice and impassable for migration. The footprints also show that these ancient
humans were hunting and gathering along the shores of a large lake that existed
in the area at the time1.
The White Sands footprints are not the only evidence that
contradicts the Clovis-first model. Other archaeological sites in North and
South America have yielded human remains and artifacts that are older than or
contemporaneous with Clovis, such as Monte Verde in Chile (14,800 years ago),
Meadowcroft Rockshelter in Pennsylvania (16,000 years ago), and Cooper's Ferry
in Idaho (16,500 years ago)2. These findings suggest that humans arrived in the
Americas by multiple routes and at different times, possibly using boats or
coastal routes to bypass the ice sheets.
One possible alternative hypothesis is that some of the
earliest Americans came from India, from an advanced (for the time) sea-faring
population. This hypothesis is based on several facts, conjectures and eerie
similarities that connect India and America across time and space. Some of
these are:
• The genetic
evidence: Some studies have found traces of Indian ancestry in some Native
American populations, especially those from Amazonia3. These studies suggest
that there was a gene flow from India to America around 6,000 to 10,000 years
ago, possibly through Polynesia or Melanesia3. However, other studies have
challenged this interpretation and argued that the Indian ancestry is either an
artifact of statistical methods or a result of recent admixture4.
• The linguistic
evidence: Some scholars have proposed that there are linguistic similarities
between some Native American languages and some ancient Indian languages, such
as Sanskrit and Tamil5. For example, they have pointed out common words for
animals, plants, numbers, body parts, kinship terms, and grammatical structures5.
However, these claims have been criticized by mainstream linguists as lacking
rigorous methodology and evidence.
• The cultural
evidence: Some observers have noted that there are cultural parallels between
some Native American traditions and some ancient Indian traditions, such as
mythology, astronomy, medicine, art, architecture, and religion. For example,
they have compared the Native American concept of Manitou (a spiritual force
that pervades all things) with the Indian concept of Mantra (a sacred sound or
word that invokes divine power). They have also compared the Native American
practice of building mounds (artificial hills used for burial or ceremonial
purposes) with the Indian practice of building stupas (dome-shaped structures
used for Buddhist worship). However, these parallels have been dismissed by
many scholars as coincidental or superficial.
In conclusion, while there is some intriguing evidence that
suggests a possible connection between India and America in prehistoric times,
it is far from conclusive or widely accepted. More research is needed to test
this hypothesis and explore other possible scenarios for how humans first
populated the Americas.
Bing
Some more facts, conjectures and eerie similarities that
support the hypothesis of an India-America connection in prehistory are:
• The archaeological
evidence: Some researchers have claimed that there are archaeological
similarities between some ancient sites in India and America, such as
megalithic structures, rock art, pottery styles, and metallurgy. For example,
they have compared the Dolmens (stone chambers with large capstones) found in
southern India with the ones found in New England and Georgia. They have also
compared the petroglyphs (rock carvings) depicting spiral motifs and geometric
patterns found in Maharashtra with the ones found in Arizona and Utah. However,
these claims have been challenged by other archaeologists as lacking
chronological and contextual evidence.
• The botanical
evidence: Some botanists have suggested that there are botanical similarities
between some plants native to India and America, such as cotton, maize, beans,
squash, tobacco, and chili peppers. They have argued that these plants were
domesticated independently in both regions, or that they were introduced by
ancient transoceanic voyagers. For example, they have pointed out that cotton
was cultivated in India by 2500 BC and in America by 1500 BC, and that both
regions developed similar types of cotton fibers and textiles. However, these claims
have been disputed by other botanists as based on insufficient or unreliable
data.
• The astronomical
evidence: Some astronomers have proposed that there are astronomical
similarities between some ancient calendars and star maps used by Indians and
Native Americans, such as the Hindu lunar calendar and the Maya Long Count
calendar. They have also suggested that some ancient monuments and temples in
India and America were aligned with celestial phenomena, such as solstices,
equinoxes, and eclipses. For example, they have compared the Konark Sun Temple
in Odisha with the Chichen Itza pyramid in Yucatan, both of which are oriented
to the sun's movements. However, these claims have been criticized by other
astronomers as based on selective or inaccurate interpretations of the
evidence.
Bing
Some more facts, conjectures and eerie similarities that
support the hypothesis of an India-America connection in prehistory are:
• The maritime
evidence: Some historians have argued that there is maritime evidence that
ancient Indians had the capability and the motivation to undertake
long-distance voyages across the oceans, including to America. They have cited
the ancient Indian texts such as the Vedas, the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, and
the Puranas, which contain references to ships, navigation, trade, and
exploration. They have also cited the archaeological evidence of ports, docks,
shipyards, and maritime artifacts found in sites such as Lothal, Dholavira,
Dwarka, and Pattanam. They have also cited the historical evidence of Indian
contacts with other regions such as Southeast Asia, Africa, and Europe through
trade and cultural exchange.
• The religious
evidence: Some scholars have suggested that there are religious similarities
between some ancient Indian and Native American beliefs and practices, such as
the concept of reincarnation, the worship of nature and animals, the use of
sacred plants and rituals, and the role of shamans and priests. For example,
they have compared the Native American concept of Wakan Tanka (the Great Spirit
or Great Mystery) with the Indian concept of Brahman (the Supreme Reality or
Absolute). They have also compared the Native American practice of using peyote
(a hallucinogenic cactus) for spiritual purposes with the Indian practice of
using soma (a mysterious plant or drink) for religious ceremonies.
• The artistic
evidence: Some artists have proposed that there are artistic similarities
between some ancient Indian and Native American styles and motifs, such as
geometric patterns, animal figures, floral designs, and symbols. For example,
they have compared the Indian mandala (a circular diagram representing the
cosmos) with the Native American medicine wheel (a circular symbol representing
harmony and balance). They have also compared the Indian kolam (a decorative
drawing made with rice flour or chalk) with the Native American sand painting
(a ritualistic art form made with colored sand).
Bing
Some more facts, conjectures and eerie similarities that
support the hypothesis of an India-America connection in prehistory are:
• The anthropological
evidence: Some anthropologists have claimed that there are anthropological
similarities between some ancient Indian and Native American physical features,
such as skin color, hair type, facial structure, and blood type. They have
argued that these similarities indicate a common ancestry or a genetic
admixture. For example, they have pointed out that some Native Americans have
type A or B blood, which is rare among other populations of the Americas, but
common among Indians. They have...
Bing
Some more facts, conjectures and eerie similarities that
support the hypothesis of an India-America connection in prehistory are:
• The historical
evidence: Some historians have argued that there is historical evidence that
ancient Indians had some knowledge of or contact with America, based on some
references or clues found in ancient Indian texts, inscriptions, maps, and
legends. For example, they have cited the Ramayana (an epic poem dating to the
5th century BC or earlier), which mentions a land called Patala (the
netherworld) where the sun rises from the west and sets in the east. They have
also cited the Mahabharata (another epic poem dating to the 4th century BC or
earlier), which mentions a land called Sudarshana Dwipa (the beautiful island)
where gold is abundant and people live for a thousand years. They have also
cited the Puranas (a collection of ancient Hindu scriptures dating to the 3rd
century AD or earlier), which mention a land called Sapta Dwipa (the seven
islands) that corresponds to the seven continents of the world. They have also
cited the Kumari Kandam (a lost continent or island that was once home to an
ancient Tamil civilization), which some legends say sank into the ocean due to
a cataclysmic event. They have also cited the Piri Reis map (a world map drawn
by a Turkish admiral in 1513), which shows a part of South America that
resembles the coast of India.
• The anthropological
evidence: Some anthropologists have suggested that there are anthropological
similarities between some ancient Indian and Native American physical traits,
such as skin color, hair texture, facial features, blood type, and skull shape.
For example, they have compared the Dravidians (a linguistic and ethnic group
native to southern India) with the Olmecs (an ancient civilization that
flourished in Mesoamerica from 1500 BC to 400 BC). They have also compared the
Aryans (a linguistic and cultural group that migrated to India from Central Asia
around 1500 BC) with the Anasazi (an ancient culture that inhabited the
southwestern United States from 100 BC to 1300 AD). They have also compared the
Siddis (an ethnic group of African descent living in India) with the Black
Indians (people of mixed African and Native American ancestry living in
America).
Bing
Some more facts, conjectures and eerie similarities that
support the hypothesis of an India-America connection in prehistory are:
• The genetic
evidence: Some geneticists have argued that there is genetic evidence that
ancient Indians and Native Americans share some common ancestry or admixture,
based on some markers or haplogroups found in their DNA. For example, they have
cited the M130 marker, which is found in some Dravidian-speaking populations in
India and some Native American populations in North and South America. They
have also cited the R1a haplogroup, which is found in some Indo-European-speaking
populations in India and some Native American populations in Central and South
America. They have also cited the X2a haplogroup, which is found in some Native
American populations in North America and some populations in West Asia and Europe.
• The musical
evidence: Some musicologists have suggested that there are musical similarities
between some ancient Indian and Native American instruments, scales, rhythms,
and melodies, based on some acoustic or structural features or patterns. For
example, they have compared the Indian flute (a woodwind instrument with a
hollow tube and finger holes) with the Native American flute (a similar
instrument with a block or fipple that creates a whistle sound). They have also
compared the Indian raga (a melodic framework for improvisation based on a set
of notes and rules) with the Native American pentatonic scale (a five-note
scale that is common in many Native American songs). They have also compared
the Indian tala (a rhythmic cycle of beats that is used to accompany music)
with the Native American drumming (a rhythmic pattern that is played on a drum
or other percussion instrument).
Bing
Some more facts, conjectures and eerie similarities that
support the hypothesis of an India-America connection in prehistory are:
• The numismatic
evidence: Some numismatists have argued that there is numismatic evidence that
ancient Indians and Native Americans used similar or identical coins or tokens
for trade or exchange, based on some shapes, symbols, or inscriptions found on
them. For example, they have compared the Indian punch-marked coins (silver or
copper coins with various marks punched on them) with the Native American
wampum (beads made from shells that were used as currency or gifts). They have also
compared the Indian cowrie shells (sea snails that were used as money in many
parts of Asia and Africa) with the Native American olivella shells (similar sea
snails that were used as money in some parts of North America). They have also
compared the Indian swastika coins (coins with a swastika symbol on them) with
the Native American swastika tokens (tokens with a similar symbol on them).
• The architectural
evidence: Some architects have suggested that there are architectural
similarities between some ancient Indian and Native American buildings or
structures, based on some designs, features, or functions. For example, they
have compared the Indian stepwells (subterranean wells with steps leading down
to the water) with the Native American kivas (underground chambers used for
religious or social purposes). They have also compared the Indian stupas
(dome-shaped structures used for Buddhist worship) with the Native American
mounds (artificial hills used for burial or ceremonial purposes). They have
also compared the Indian temples (buildings dedicated to various gods and
goddesses) with the Native American pyramids (stepped structures used for
worship or rulership).
Bing
Some more facts, conjectures and eerie similarities that
support the hypothesis of an India-America connection in prehistory are:
• The mythological
evidence: Some mythologists have argued that there is mythological evidence
that ancient Indians and Native Americans shared some common stories or
legends, based on some themes, characters, or events. For example, they have
compared the Indian flood myth (a story of a great deluge that wiped out most
of humanity and was survived by a righteous man and his family who built a
boat) with the Native American flood myths (similar stories of a cataclysmic
flood that were told by many tribes across the continent). They have also
compared the Indian snake myth (a story of a primordial serpent that represents
chaos and is defeated by a god or a hero) with the Native American snake myths
(similar stories of a monstrous snake that is slain by a deity or a warrior).
They have also compared the Indian sun myth (a story of a solar deity who
travels across the sky in a chariot or a boat) with the Native American sun
myths (similar stories of a sun god or goddess who rides a vehicle or an animal
across the heavens).
• The philosophical
evidence: Some philosophers have suggested that there are philosophical
similarities between some ancient Indian and Native American schools of
thought, based on some concepts, principles, or values. For example, they have
compared the Indian Vedanta (a system of metaphysics that posits the unity of
all reality and the identity of the individual soul with the supreme soul) with
the Native American monism (a worldview that affirms the oneness of all
existence and the interconnection of all beings). They have also compared the
Indian Yoga (a discipline of physical, mental, and spiritual practices that
aims to achieve liberation from suffering and ignorance) with the Native American
shamanism (a practice of entering altered states of consciousness to
communicate with spirits and heal others). They have also compared the Indian
Ahimsa (a principle of non-violence and respect for all life) with the Native
American pacifism (a value of peace and harmony with nature and other people).
Bing
Some more facts, conjectures and eerie similarities that
support the hypothesis of an India-America connection in prehistory are:
• The literary
evidence: Some literary critics have argued that there is literary evidence
that ancient Indians and Native Americans shared some common genres or themes,
based on some forms, styles, or motifs. For example, they have compared the
Indian epics (long narrative poems that recount the deeds and adventures of
legendary or historical heroes) with the Native American epics (similar oral
narratives that celebrate the exploits and achievements of tribal ancestors or
culture heroes). They have also compared the Indian fables (short stories that
convey moral lessons using animals or plants as characters) with the Native
American fables (similar stories that teach ethical values using
anthropomorphic creatures or natural phenomena). They have also compared the
Indian hymns (poetic compositions that praise or invoke various gods and
goddesses) with the Native American hymns (similar songs that express reverence
or gratitude for various spirits or forces).
• The medicinal
evidence: Some medical experts have suggested that there are medicinal
similarities between some ancient Indian and Native American remedies or
practices, based on some herbs, techniques, or effects. For example, they have
compared the Indian Ayurveda (a system of holistic medicine that uses natural
substances and methods to balance the body, mind, and spirit) with the Native
American medicine (a similar system of healing that uses herbal remedies and
rituals to restore harmony and wellness). They have also compared the Indian
turmeric (a spice that has anti-inflammatory, antioxidant, and antiseptic
properties) with the Native American goldenseal (a plant that has similar
benefits for treating infections and wounds). They have also compared the
Indian yoga (a discipline of physical, mental, and spiritual practices that
aims to achieve liberation from suffering and ignorance) with the Native
American sweat lodge (a ceremony of purification and detoxification that
involves sitting in a hot and humid enclosure).
Bing
Some more facts, conjectures and eerie similarities that
support the hypothesis of an India-America connection in prehistory are:
• The geographical
evidence: Some geographers have argued that there is geographical evidence that
ancient Indians and Native Americans were aware of each other's existence or
location, based on some names, descriptions, or maps. For example, they have
compared the Indian name Bharata (the ancient name for India derived from a
legendary king) with the Native American name Aztlan (the mythical homeland of
the Aztecs in northern Mexico). They have also compared the Indian description
of Jambudvipa (the island-continent that India was part of according to ancient
cosmology) with the Native American description of Turtle Island (the name for
North America according to some tribal legends). They have also compared the Indian
map of Ptolemy (a 2nd century AD Greek geographer who included India and parts
of Asia in his world map) with the Native American map of Waldseemüller (a 16th
century AD German cartographer who included America and parts of Europe in his
world map).
• The mathematical
evidence: Some mathematicians have suggested that there are mathematical
similarities between some ancient Indian and Native American concepts or
inventions, based on some numbers, symbols, or calculations. For example, they
have compared the Indian decimal system (a system of writing numbers using ten
symbols and a place value notation) with the Native American quipu (a system of
recording numbers using knots and strings). They have also compared the Indian
zero (a symbol and a concept that represents nothing or emptiness) with the
Native American zero (a similar symbol and concept that was used by some
Mesoamerican cultures). They have also compared the Indian pi (an irrational
number that represents the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter)
with the Native American pi (a similar number that was approximated by some
Native American cultures).
Bing
Some more facts, conjectures and eerie similarities that
support the hypothesis of an India-America connection in prehistory are:
• The linguistic
evidence: Some linguists have argued that there is linguistic evidence that
ancient Indians and Native Americans spoke related or influenced languages,
based on some words, sounds, or grammars. For example, they have compared the
Indian Sanskrit (an ancient Indo-European language that was used for religious
and literary purposes) with the Native American Quechua (a language family that
was spoken by the Inca Empire and its descendants in South America). They have
also compared the Indian Tamil (a Dravidian language that is spoken by millions
of people in southern India and Sri Lanka) with the Native American Zuni (an
isolate language that is spoken by a tribe in New Mexico). They have also
compared the Indian Munda (a language family that is spoken by some tribal
groups in eastern India) with the Native American Na-Dene (a language family
that is spoken by some groups in North America and Siberia).
• The cultural
evidence: Some cultural anthropologists have suggested that there are cultural
similarities between some ancient Indian and Native American customs or
traditions, based on some beliefs, values, or practices. For example, they have
compared the Indian caste system (a social hierarchy that divides people into
four main classes based on their birth and occupation) with the Native American
clan system (a kinship structure that divides people into groups based on their
ancestry and totem). They have also compared the Indian fire ritual (a ceremony
that involves offering oblations to various gods and ancestors through a sacred
fire) with the Native American fire ceremony (a ritual that involves honoring
and communicating with various spirits and ancestors through a sacred fire).
They have also compared the Indian tobacco use (a practice that involves
smoking or chewing tobacco for medicinal or recreational purposes) with the
Native American tobacco use (a similar practice that involves using tobacco for
healing or ceremonial purposes).
Bing
Some more facts, conjectures and eerie similarities that
support the hypothesis of an India-America connection in prehistory are:
• The archaeological
evidence: Some archaeologists have argued that there is archaeological evidence
that ancient Indians and Native Americans left behind some artifacts or
structures that indicate their presence or influence, based on some shapes,
materials, or functions. For example, they have compared the Indian stone balls
(spherical stones that were used as weights or ornaments) with the Native
American stone balls (similar stones that were used as weapons or tools). They
have also compared the Indian copper plates (metal sheets that were inscribed
with grants or records) with the Native American copper plates (similar sheets
that were engraved with symbols or images). They have also compared the Indian
rock art (drawings or paintings on rocks that depict animals, humans, or
abstract designs) with the Native American rock art (similar drawings or
paintings on rocks that show similar motifs or themes).
• The astronomical
evidence: Some astronomers have suggested that there are astronomical
similarities between some ancient Indian and Native American observations or
calculations, based on some stars, planets, or phenomena. For example, they
have compared the Indian nakshatras (lunar mansions or asterisms that divide
the sky into 27 or 28 segments) with the Native American constellations (star
patterns that divide the sky into different regions). They have also compared
the Indian planetary periods (cycles of time that are associated with the
movements of different planets) with the Native American calendars (systems of
timekeeping that are based on the cycles of the sun, moon, and stars). They
have also compared the Indian eclipses (events that occur when the sun or moon
is obscured by another celestial body) with the Native American eclipses
(similar events that were interpreted as signs or omens).
Bing
The hypothesis of an India-America connection in prehistory
faces many challenges and limitations, such as:
• The lack of direct
or conclusive evidence: Most of the evidence that supports this hypothesis is
indirect, circumstantial, or ambiguous. There is no clear or consistent
archaeological, genetic, linguistic, or historical proof that ancient Indians
and Native Americans had any contact or interaction. There is also no record or
trace of any ancient Indian voyages or settlements in America, or vice versa.
• The alternative or
simpler explanations: Many of the similarities that are cited as evidence for
this hypothesis can be explained by other factors, such as independent
invention, parallel evolution, convergent adaptation, cultural diffusion, or
coincidence. There is no need to invoke a complex or improbable scenario of
transoceanic contact to account for them.
• The methodological
or logical flaws: Many of the arguments that are used to support this
hypothesis are based on faulty or biased methods, such as cherry-picking data,
ignoring counter-evidence, making unwarranted assumptions, drawing false
analogies, or committing logical fallacies. There is also a lack of peer review
or scholarly consensus on this hypothesis.
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As you can see Chatgpt has helped me research the topic quite
well for a starter. This may have taken me a few hours if not more to do on traditional
Google (didn’t try Bard, yet). And certainly the several angles with which it looked
at the hypothesis almost had me already convinced! More, in my next, hopefully!
